As you may have heard, Nokia recently announced their latest Internet Tablet model, the N810.
To put things briefly, the N810 is NOT a next generation tablet, but a variation on the current N800 tablet. It's a same-generation alternative model.
The N800 and N810 will be receiving equal software support from Nokia and other software makers because in computing terms they're exactly the same tablet.
Here's everything you need to know about the N810 in a nutshell:
1. The N810 is technically the same tablet as the N800, but it has a redesigned casing, a built-in slide-out keyboard, and a built-in GPS satellite navigation receiver.
2. The N800 and N810 are identical when it comes to using the internet or running applications. They have the same processor which runs at the same speed, the same amount of RAM, the same battery life, and the same size screen with the same resolution and same number of colours.
3. The N810 will be sold with Nokia's latest version of their internet tablet operating system, OS 2008, pre-installed. On the day of the N810's launch, OS 2008 will also be available as a free download for N800 owners so they can upgrade their tablets at home. Once you install OS 2008, your N800 effectively becomes an N810 but without the keyboard or GPS.
4. In order to use third party applications on the N810 or an upgraded N800, you will have to install versions written for OS 2008, OS 2007 versions will not work. OS 2008 applications will be available from the downloads section of the maemo.org site, alongside software for older versions of the OS.
5. The N800 has two memory card slots which can take all sizes of SD and MMC card, but the N810 has only one memory card slot which can only take miniSD cards or microSD cards with a miniSD adapter. To make up for the lack of a second slot, the N810 has 2 gigabytes of flash memory built into it, which acts like a 2 gigabyte second memory card.
6. The N800 uses a miniUSB connector cable, but the N810 uses a microUSB connector cable. They're the same sort of thing technologically, but the microUSB connector is slightly thinner.
7. The N800's camera pops out of the left hand side of the casing, whereas the N810's camera is built into the front of its casing.
8. The N810 and OS 2008 are launching in mid-November. The estimated launch price of the N810 is US$479 (plus taxes) in America, and €469 (including taxes) in Europe.
You can see official photos of the N810 by visiting Nokia's official N810 press page.
If you have any questions about the N810, N800 or OS 2008, click on the comments link below.
42 comments:
Are you sure about the processor?
ok, so everyone keeps on talking about this 3rd party applicaton, but no ones expands on that. Really what are the benefits of the new OS?
According to Wayfinder (formerly Navicore), you can "Upgrade to Wayfinder Navigator through the Map application on your Nokia N810. You can also buy an upgrade through this website from October 26th 2007."
But then they also say that "A Nokia N810i Internet tablet device" is required. This is the only place I've ever heard of an N810i, so I assume that is an error, but... what about N800?! (There is already Navicore for N800, but no new release since they were bought by Wayfinder.)
It will be interesting to see if N800 gets the new OS on the 26th, and if the new Wayfinder software will work on N800s with ITOS2008 and a bluetooth GPS. In any case, it is some sloppy work on Wayfinder's site to say what they currently are saying.
Will the new OS 2008 be ported to the Nokia N770?
Are you sure that N810 and N800 has same hardware? I found that N800 has OMAP chip clocked to 333Mhz and N810 has 400Mhz. N800 has 128Mb sdram and N810 128Mb ddr.
I've read that the OS2008 now supports compositong for transparency effects. does this mean that we have some acceleration support by the povervr chip now?
Hi there,
I was just wandering what the GPS integration currently is. Since Nokia bought out a GPS/Mapping firm is it going to be like the N95 where you have to buy a premium service to allow for turn-by-turn directions etc. but the maps are free instead?
Do you have an estimated launch date in Europe/UK along with price? As it's hard to ascertain a UK price from the estimated US price as companies love to sell things for a lot, lot more here in the UK.
Does the N810 have the ability to view and edit calendar data stored in .ics files (iCalendar)?
Finally are there plans to allow the camera to be used as a normal camera? Albeit with low quality pictures.
Thanks.
Hi,
if I understand correctly, the N810 will have navigation software. Will this software also be available for the N800, so that I can freely use it as a navigator when I attach an external GPS module? Or will the navigator software only be available for N810 users?
Thanks for your nice summary!
Daniel
Many websitess liek linuxdevices.com and the new Wikipedia entry for the N810 state that it's TI OMAP runs at 400 mhz, you state its the same as the Nokia N800, so what's about that?
What annoys me is that Nokia won't let you just pay a fixed fee and have the mapping/GPS product indefinitely presumably with updates for a limited period. They're always trying to get you on a contract and that's not how I want it.
No, according to blog posts on planet.maemo.org the transparency and compositing is done on the processor. Is the PowerVR chip inside, the same as the one in the Nokia N95 (both are OMAP 2420), as the demos for games on there are amazing, why hasn't that potential been unlocked on here yet?
Right, lots of questions, here are the answers in the order they were asked:
Guthrie - One of the Maemo developers posting on Ari Jaaksi's blog said yesterday that "Nope, there's no cpu difference between the N800 and N810. The software runs fast enough on the N800, trust me." That to me means the same CPU at the same speed. We won't know for sure of course until the N810 is released and someone neutral performs benchmarks on both.
anonymous1 - Third party applications mean programs you add on such as games, calendar apps, media player apps etc. They're stuff you can install that doesn't come built-in. The benefits of the new OS include a better browser based on Mozilla, smooth Flash video support for sites like YouTube, a more finger-friendly interface, and probably a million other things we won't see until OS 2008 launches.
anonymous2 - That's a typo by Wayfinder, there's no such tablet as the N810i. No idea what the release would be for N800, but as they're the same software platform it would make sense to release the software for both. The N800 WILL get the new OS at the N810 launch, Nokia have already said so.
anonymous3 - As far as I know, OS 2008 will only be on N800 and N810, it will not be on 770. The 770 would be a lot more difficult to support as it's a much older device, it's got a significantly slower processor and only half the amount of RAM. They only recently managed to get OS 2007 onto the 770, and that was in an unsupported "hacker's edition".
Jari - See the "no CPU difference" thing above, and also the same developer commented further that "The n800 will be able to run the exact same software as the n810. No differences. The only differences are practical ones; keyboard vs no keyboard, popout camera vs fixed camera, rgb led vs mono led, dedicated lock key vs [power] + [select], etc." He could be wrong of course, but we won't know for sure until the N810 is released and benchmarked alongside the N800. I wouldn't rely too much on published specs until the actual product is available, and even then the published specs can be wrong. I've even seen mistakes on Forum Nokia.
anonymous4 - As far as I know, no hardware graphics acceleration yet.
jon pritchard - It's very unclear! Nokia has actually bought TWO mapping related firms recently, one was smart2go which became known as Nokia Maps (and they're the free maps), and the second is Naviteq who do maps for things like Garmin devices and Google Maps. The impression I get is that the maps will be included in the N810 for free, but there will be various extra premium services you can buy and download. This is what they've done on the Nokia 6110 Navigator smartphone, it has built-in software and maps but there are some services (such as traffic data) which you have to buy online.
jon pritchard2 - According to Finnish online stores, the N810 price in Europe will be 469 euros including taxes, so that's about 335 pounds. I assume the release date will also be in mid-November.
Danielpoe - No idea, sorry. There's nothing technically to stop them releasing the same navigation software on the N800 too, but there may be marketing factors involved too.
nik - I don't know for sure what the performance is until I have an N800 and N810 in front of me, but Forum Nokia lists them both having the same processor, and Nokia's maemo developers who've mentioned this topic have implied it runs at the same speed. Until we see some actual side-by-side tests I'm going to believe the people who've developed the tablets and OS 2008, rather than stats on unofficial websites.
jon pritchard, forgot to add, you can ALREADY use the camera as a normal camera, just download the camera app from the application manager. I've done a tutorial about it in the photos section of this site.
On the "fixed fee" thing, if the N810 is popular we will undoubtedly see third party sat nav applications that use the business model you suggest. Nokia's smartphones already have several different companies offering sat nav packages just like that.
As for the graphics chip, what I'm more annoyed about is the lack of TV Out. TV Out has a huge potential for letting you turn any television set into a desktop computer, and the N800/N810 resolution is the same as a standard definition widescreen TV so it would be able to use the large screen to its fullest extent.
The keyboard is a nice touch, but... doesn't it have stereo speakers anymore? That would be a show-stopper for me, as I use the device as a videoplayer around the house.
Don't worry mich, the N810 DOES have stereo speakers, but they're on the sides rather than on the front.
You can see them in the official photos:
http://www.nokia.com/A4136017?category=n810
I think they moved the speakers to the side so they could make the whole thing much smaller.
Hi,
will the new N810 support Skype video calls ??? I'm verrrryyy looking forward for it ! Unfortunately this is not the case for N800.
Anonymous, the situation is unclear, we'll have to wait and see what the new OS 2008 is like.
Just to make it clear the N810 AND the N800 will BOTH receive this new OS 2008, and all the new features that come with it. N800 owners will be able to download the new OS 2008 for free and upgrade their tablets at home.
In computing terms, whatever the N810 can do, the N800 can do too, so if the N810 supports Skype video, the N800 will too (if you update it).
Apologies to the person who asked about the FM radio, I accidentally deleted your post! Sorry!
Anyhow, to answer your question, there's no mention of the FM radio in any of the N810 specifications, BUT there wasn't any mention of it in the N800 specs either.
As the N810 seems so close technically to the N800, it's perfectly possible that it too has this "secret" FM radio.
Are they remove handwriting recognition input in n810?! They must be crazy...
anonymous, where did you see that mentioned?
What I'm wondering is if the N810 even has a stylus at all. Perhaps OS 2008 will be entirely finger-oriented.
Obviously you can use a stylus on any touchscreen device, but I can't see the slot for a stylus anywhere on the N810 photos, and there's no stylus listed in the sales package.
Here (http://europe.nokia.com/A4568593)
is mentioned that n810 support only keyboard input metods. In same time in description of n800 (http://europe.nokia.com/A4305063) handwriting recognition input method is present obviously. So i think that the things are not so good for us.
Thanks for the links alexander.
I don't think we should worry until we see the actual N810. The official specs are often incomplete or wrong.
hope so :-)
Similar that n810 have stylus... See it -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2JBUcBJCQ
Yeah, that's a good point. They don't list the stylus on the official specs but it does have one it seems.
Okay, I want one. I live in Canada but will be visiting Los Angeles the 23rd-30th, and it appears from one online retailer that it comes out on the 23rd. Got any suggestions on how to find a retailer around L.A. that will have it then? It would save me ~$100 to get it there over mail ordering it after I got back to Canada.
On the CPU speed comments. The specs do apparently say the 810 is faster, but several other IT blogs have pointed out that the CPU on the 800 has been under clocked to save battery use. When OS 2008 is installed on the 800 it should be the same speed as the 810
Anonymous, thanks for that, the explanation makes total sense and tallies with what Nokia's own developers had been saying about the N800 and N810.
Nokia's own tech site Forum Nokia now has detailed spec pages for the tablets, but neither of them lists the actual clock speed.
Why Nokia ignors the fact that those that travel, will experience places that have only an ethernet RJ-45 connection... AND that a user MUST use this to stay in touch with work, family, or friends, ...as you do have to connect to the internet by any means when you have to... -but the fact that you can't connect from anywhere, with either the N800 or the N810... IS a BIG problem, and shows that Nokia finds it easy to ignor the reality of such mobile use is a problem for their sales efforts. Nokia needs to plan 1st for a device to be able to connect from anywhere by any means. Maybe they are thinking too much like a cell phone company where everyone lives in a city, and does not ever travel from there into mountains (radio and cell have problems in mountains with connection)?
Where is SD card slot (again why they did away with it, I am lost to explain), I liked the N800 Radio too, I don't need GPS at all BUT do want the keyboard that the N810 has (so don't need to pay the premium dollar for some feature I am never going to use), AAA 15 minute recharge batteries is needed for not only N810 and cell phones, but for all mobile devices to avoid the need for all the chargers, the wires, the different batteries, heck you need to carry 15 lbs of stuff just to keep your mobile stuff charged up all the time. One system is worth a thousand words, and that battery system is the 15 minute AAA rechargeable battery system, JAVA is needed on all devices, bigger screen for IMAP email use (is a must), IMAP client with Thunderbird feature as follows would be really nice see:
http://www.linux.com/articles/53463
" Turn Thunderbird into a collaboration tool
By default, Thunderbird doesn't have a calendar, and it lacks the ability to synchronise data between multiple clients. However, the Calendar plugin combined with the SyncKolab extension can fill the void. You also need an IMAP account, which SyncKolab uses to synchronise the contacts and calendar data. You can either use a local Kolab server or an IMAP email account; the latter option is probably easier".
Also - USB being able to use USB Keyboard, USB external HD, or other USB Flash devices, would be nice.
Nokia - it would be nice to have a full size keyboard (bluetooth) as part of the purchase of the N810 or N800... why not, the Nokia one is 3 times the cost of 3rd party ones (and how much does it cost to make these, $2.00 in china)?
Let us look at a sample buyer mind set in the case of a buyer who knows nothing about device. Each bullet on a feature list has to click YES in this buyers mind to have an affect... where that affect is that the buyer will end up paying the high price for any device (when compared to the full features that are provided by their mobile laptop, and this is what is causing the Eee PC to receive such intense attention, and where Microsoft has discounted their OEM OS price by 1/3rd, to make it able to run on the Eee PC, in order to compete with the LINUX OS that will be installed on the Eee PC).
I like the N810, but will not get it as I am not going to pay for the GPS that I will never use. And all my cameras have SD cards that they use. I refuse to carry another cable (to lose in a bag with all those other cables) around to connect a camera to the N810 or N800. Where is my SD card slot for the N810?
Too bad, with the N810, I would like to play with the keyboard, and when Maemo.org apps mature into the device, I like those too. But, don't have the time to be disappointed by Nokia's not hitting all the right buttons on this one, so I will wait until version 4 or version 5 to come out before I jump into the use (maybe, depends on how sensible that the device becomes for those who really travel and that travel takes you around the world to places where you need internet, even ethernet to work).
Please I beg someone i have been asking this for a long time now. Can the nokia n810 play youtube videos in full screen mode. It is very important to me i know it plays youtube in regular mode just fine but it to small for subs
I didn't see any mention of the fact that the N800 already has mapping capabilities if the user installs the free Maemo Mapper software, which can be used either as maps or as GPS maps with an add-on GPS unit. Anyone wondering what 3rd party applications are available should check out maemo.org and/or internettablettalk.com.
To the Anonymous who left the very long rant...
You contradict yourself. You complain that the N800 lacks features (like a keyboard), then you say that the N810 has too many features (like a GPS).
As for the camera SD cards, if you buy a miniSD card it comes with a full-size SD card adaptor so you can use it in your cameras too.
But it sounds like what you really want isn't a tablet but a laptop: built-in keyboard, larger screen, ethernet cable connection, USB peripherals are all things you would find on a laptop.
Please, Please, Please, I can't buy the nokia n810 until i know it can play youtube videos in full screen. Doesn't any one have the device, that's what gives the archos 605 wifi the edge over the nokia. can the n810 play youtube videos in full screen and how many frames per second.
Thank You, in advance to any . one that can answer.
Whats the point of all that flash when the youtube videos are always shown in normal mode Is it because the device is to slow to stream youtube videos in full screen mode
You have mentioned that N800 owners can install IT OS 2008. But it is still not available.
Anyone know when it will be available for N800 users? Or it is already given for N800?
I tried with my wlan code and 2008 Os is still not available in the manual update.
Can anyone give me an advice?
As the Europe version is a good 50% more expensive than the US, do you foresee any problems on buying the US version and bringing it over the pond? I assume the charger is 110V - 220V. Maybe the default maps will be US based but those could be changed to Europe. Any negatives that you can think of? Many thanks!
does n800 use simcard? cant find where..anyone can help me? thanks
-Ian: The internet tablets aren't mobile phones. They don't use SIM cards. However, as well as wi-fi the tablets can also access the internet wirelessly through your own mobile phone.
-Ashok: the OS 2008 update for the N800 will become available through the update wizard some time in December.
-Anonymous, the US version of the N810 should be pretty much identical to the European version. The charger isn't a problem, just use a standard Nokia charger from your country. However, the warranty will be invalid outside the US (so you can't get it fixed for free if it breaks down), the keyboard will use the US layout, and you may have to pay import tax when you collect it from the post office which could wipe out the saving you made.
Do you know of any plans to support GPRS or 3G? (eg. the N820?)
Anonymous, I have heard absolutely NO plans to make a 2G or 3G tablet.
However, you CAN use the tablets with phone networks if you pair/tether it to a Bluetooth-compatible mobile phone.
You can also make and receive phone calls with the tablets if you install the Skype application.
I have read on different sites: 128m of DDR upgradeable to 2GB. Does this mean I can buy a 2GB DDR-400 stick and install it?
Thanks!
So which model is best for me if all I care about is browsing the internet (Bloglines/Bloglines Mobile in particular)?
David, both models are absolutely identical in their web browsing abilities. The N810 has a built-in keyboard which is handy for typing emails, IMs etc on the move, but you can use a separate wireless Bluetooth keyboard with the N800 (and N810 if you like). The N800 is considerably cheaper than the N810.
Honeybadger, your information is a bit mixed up. The "DDR RAM" is the memory used by a computer to run applications, and it cannot be altered on pocket-sized computers because the components are too small and fiddly. The 2 gigabytes refers to the flash memory card which you can insert for data storage, and in fact the N800 and N810 can officially use card sizes up to 8 gigabytes (or 16 gigabytes unofficially). In theory you can use the tablet's memory card space to help run applications, but this is going to slow things down because flash memory was never designed for this purpose. In practice you never really need to use the memory card for apps, the built-in RAM is already good enough for all apps.
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